Talk:Coat of arms of New Zealand

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Alice Spragg[edit]

Alice Spragg was my partner's grandmother. She was the daughter of a chief Hansard reporter and granddaughter of one of Dunedin's most prominent families, and was a well known figure in pre-WWI Wellington. She is occasionally cited as being the model. There is no direct documentary evidence, but photographs of her from the time show a striking resemblance to the figure, and there is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that she was the model. Grutness|hello? Grutness.jpg 00:12, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)


What was the reason for the 1956 alterations to the arms? Drutt 23:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

  • This page has some of the explanations. Seems that the design wasn't really formalised originally and all sorts of minor variations had been creeping in. Actually, there are some interesting factlets on that page that should find their way into the wikipedia article... Grutness...wha? 12:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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There has been a fair use rationale in place on that page since it was loaded, you silly bot. Someone needs to give you a tweak! Grutness...wha? 06:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

not the coat of arm of 'New Zealand" IMHO[edit]

except if you add that by 'NZ' you explicitely always mean 'the realm of NZ' (in effect 'the kingdom of NZ'). See here : where it is clear that NZ means the realm/kingdom not the country, that is what you usually call "NZ" plus the Cook Islands etc. That is why the CI don't have a real coat of arms, just a fancy one : — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


I think it is incorrect to say that the crest was changed in 1956 - the Queen in right of New Zealand is entitled to a crown of rank (the imperial crown / crown of St Edward) as well as a crest (the demi-lion holding a Union Jack). What happened in 1956 is that the crest ceased to be depicted and the crown of St Edward was depicted instead. In England, there are two version of the Royal Arms, one with the crest and helm (used by the Queen and the judiciary) and one with the crown only (used by the Government). If you displayed the crest on top of the crown, it would still be a correct representation of the arms of New Zealand. For an example of a coat of arms with both, see the [1] Andrew Yong (talk) 06:25, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Wholeheartedly agreed.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 09:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

pre-1956 design[edit]

As well as deleting redundant text (which appears to have been copy-and-pasted), I have removed File:Coat of Arms of New Zealand (1911–1956).png. When compared to the actual design here, this file is clearly inaccurate, with the most glaring errors being the motto (which should be "Onward", not "Forward") and the figures (which should be forward-facing). The file should not be reinstated in the article unless improvements are made to it. --Hazhk (talk) 14:48, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

The “fleece”[edit]

Why is the sheep in a harness? MBG02 (talk) 16:22, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

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